pt. 1 ch. 12 - Page 21
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MadJak91
9th Jan 2019, 11:58 AM

Normally I would kind of understand the reaction. Your bro came back suddenly as a half-mutant and he is acting like everything is just fine the way it is with him. Not a word of the past and that it is quite helpful to have Thigg. At least my impression always has been that Irwin does not mean Thigg at all? Minus the initial shock and all that.
However, there were the past bits that suggested to me a quite tarnished relationship between them so I think Chase would spin it this way even if Irwin were perfectly normal. Just happened to be alive.

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Jordan Bassior
10th Jan 2019, 4:09 AM

I also suspect that people -- even smart, open-minded people -- from the 1920's would find Thig even more horrifying than we would. Lovecraft himself was more bigoted than most SF writers, but look how long it took him to start considering that "monsters" might be merely alien and their "monstrousness" consisted more of cultural differences and strategic cross-purposes than of inherent evil.

Our heroes AREN'T SF writers; most of the SF stories about tolerance toward the different haven't yet been written in the story, and Thig is VERY alien-looking. And, it's in a symbiotic bond with someone they both love, and no one yet knows how good or evil, by human standards, are its intentions.

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MistakeNPotatoes
10th Jan 2019, 1:34 PM

Jordan's got the idea. These highly superstitious and (in Chase's case) religious people have no idea what to make of this creature. Something I haven't properly conveyed in the comic is what it's like to have Thigg in proximity for others - the weird emotions and thoughts that just sort of permeate. I'll chalk that up to my inexperience as a visual storyteller :)

Either way, it's a really weird situation, and Irwin is apparently enough under Thigg's influence that it doesn't occur to him as much anymore that others have an adjustment period. Besides, who knows exactly how long they spent in alternate dimensions? There could have been months of bonding here where as time on earth in the story has only plodded forth a couple/few weeks. :)

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Mgnostic
10th Jan 2019, 10:06 PM

Telling that story can be a pretty herculean task. The story of living with and coming to terms with the Other is a novel in its own right. For whatever reason "The Left Hand of Darkness" comes to mind. At any rate, unless you are willing to work on this story for the next 20 years there are just some things that have to be streamlined. In my head cannon the line between Thigg and Irwin gets pretty blurred with Irwin kind of experiencing a neurological version of Stockholm syndrome. However, it also seems to Irwin's mammalian chemistry is having an impact on Thigg as well. It seems to me that we are only just now getting to the point where Thigg's impact on other humans would become evident. That Thigg would have a sort of psychic overflow into any one close by is an interesting concept and really gives opportunity to play off the fear of the Other. Roy, Imemi and even Clara as paranormal practitioners/researchers might have some acquired resistance but Chase would likely be the most vulnerable of the lot.

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MadJak91
11th Jan 2019, 1:43 PM

>>Jordan
Yeah. When you look for example at the old Universal horror movies then they are tame as all hell for current audiences. And have been for a long time. A lot of that you can easily have in a cartoon and nobody bats an eyelash because it is simply considered to be perfectly normal.
But back then people were scared by vampire bites and stuff like impaling (was it The Mummy?) was like: "Why would you even do that??" *runs*

These days you can show almost anything and people can be highly unfazed. It simply is not real. Which makes it more difficult for the author/director but it is not like you can change its subjective nature and how people should feel about it. If gore, monsters and whatever are a natural part of many stories then people simply become immune to that effect.

But if we are talking about in-universe, and we are, then chances are you do not need to be in the 20s to be scared of something like Thigg. Cannot say but I think if monsters like him were suddenly real or popped up in front of you, your usual toughness for fiction would not work.

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Jordan Bassior
11th Jan 2019, 3:40 PM

We have trouble accepting our commonality with the other great apes. Today I mean. Let alone in the 1920s, and I refer you to "Arthur Jermyn."

Something like Thigg is MUCH more alien.

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MadJak91
13th Jan 2019, 2:31 PM

Very true.
But at least if I could have a Thigg sitting in some aquarium that would be cool. After all he is a cute monster, haha. But in reality I would probably beat him up with an extinguisher otherwise :(
lmao

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Mgnostic
9th Jan 2019, 12:03 PM

Yeah, I'm thinking there is some pretty heavy family baggage.

Alternatively: "Pay no attention to the glowing green orb on my chest, all is well."

Clara's expression in panel 3 really works well.

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Takedown275
10th Jan 2019, 1:42 AM

Clara and Irwin were seeking secrets together...possibly power?

I wouldn't be surprised if that was connected to Chase being fired.

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MistakeNPotatoes
10th Jan 2019, 1:37 PM

Chase wasn't fired, he left voluntarily because of the mockery - Irwin and Clara certainly didn't help by egging him on his pursuit of the Tilden case!

Beyond this, there may be a bit of a wedge in their relationship, which may or may not be widened by having an empathic and powerful psychic beast involved..

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Mr. Casual
9th Jan 2019, 1:33 PM

Hmm . . . I get the impression these two weren't as close as we might've been led to believe at first.

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Thracecius
9th Jan 2019, 5:24 PM

Pfeh. Screw you and your self-righteous indignation, Irwin. When neither one of them really KNOW what you are, so a healthy dose of fear is an appropriate response for the situation. You'd understand that if the shoe was on the other foot. Seems to me like you've lost that perspective because you don't -think- you've changed, despite appearances, but you really have no way of knowing how much of you is still you, and what's Thigg.

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Jordan Bassior
10th Jan 2019, 4:13 AM

Indeed. While Thig rescued Irwin from death, we still don't know for sure how honorable are its intentions, and to what extent Thig can control Irwin, perhaps hormonally.

I'm generally friendly toward strangeness, but there are a LOT of honorable and yet human-hostile creatures in this story so far. Including the Deep One hybrids in general, Jack the Byakhee, and the guy who nearly killed Irwin -- Jaunt.

I get the impression that Jaunt is a very good creature by his own lights, and he doesn't JOY in the destruction of the whole human race -- but he's going to do his best to do it, anyway.

Thig -- well, we'll see.

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MistakeNPotatoes
10th Jan 2019, 1:50 PM

As I replied in an above comment - we're not sure how long Irwin and Thigg have actually been together, since they've been hopping about in alternate dimensions. While he was obviously initially traumatized by this thing in his body, he's had some time to adjust, and with Thigg basically linking up to become part of his body and mind, this all feels much more 'correct' to him.

As for the other monsters and how honorable they are - the deep ones are roughly the same as they were when they were humans, so about that level of morality. Jack's a weird case. He's got the mentality of a teenager, roughly, whereas Jaunt is just fascinated that he's sentient now and disappointed that it wasn't on his own terms. Knowing you were made for a reason probably takes some of the fun out of existence, so you have to make the fun where you can manage.

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Thracecius
11th Jan 2019, 2:37 PM

That's the fun/sympathetic thing about Jaunt which makes him an antagonist and not a villain, because you can imagine, to a certain degree, the sort of emotional and or mental dilema he finds himself in as an uplifted creature. His sophistication and intelligence could be entirely transplanted, or he could have picked up some quirks in the time since he's been a sapient being, but we don't really know at this point.

Hopefully Irwin doesn't do anything...rash...and endanger lives with his self-centeredness, because while I can understand that he just wants to try and get his life "back to normal" now that he's on Earth again, the reality is that he can never have a "normal" life now, and that includes romancing Clara.

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Jordan Bassior
12th Jan 2019, 10:17 PM

Probably not. I'm not entirely sure exactly how close Irwin and Clara were before Irwin nearly died, but since then Irwin has gone through the sort of event many Mythos writers would term a "transition." Depending on how one looks at it he has become either more or less than human. I guarantee you that most people in the world of the 2010s would consider it monstrous, and almost all people in the world of the 1920s would.

Consider the details of any relationship if Irwin and Clara got married. Irwin basically has a telepathic alien conjoined twin. There would be no way for Irwin and Clara to have sex without Thigg not only literally staring her in the face but also reading both their minds!

Somehow I don't think that 1920s marital manuals ever covered this situation.

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Cyrus Hollowhurst
14th Jan 2019, 12:51 PM

Well, Someone's Unhappy

Well, I do think Chad has every reason to be suspicious as stated before, but it seems his suspicion is only causing friction between the brothers. Thigg might use that to influence Irwin even further.

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